A member posted,

"Heavy metals are not always a huge problem when it comes to yeast problems, candida, etc. I was diagnosed with Candida yesterday, as it would have it, and the doctor (well-versed in treating Candida and uses natural treatment) mentioned nothing about my blood containing heavy metals. If he had seen heavy metals in my blood, he would have suggested chelation IV therapy - one of the treatments he offers.

Instead, I am being treated with cleanses, Nystatin and Diflucan, and Hydrogen Peroxide IV's. That, along with diet that eliminates fungi, dairy, sugars, grains. For the first few weeks, it's very strict, but necessary to avoid further yeast colonization.

For now, I respectfully disagree with the advice to treat yeast with fermented foods. Fermented foods are great for preventative measures, but not for curative ones. EVERY yeast cleanse on the market advises the AVOIDANCE of fermented foods while cleansing. That includes vinegar in all forms: salad dressing, hot sauce, etc."


REPLY:


I fully support each person to choose the healing path that is in line with their personal beliefs.
I agree that there are hundreds, probably thousands of MDs, NDs, and much of the Internet which does not believe in natural healing. Most of them are *selling* a product or service to "solve" your candida. We certainly do not have to all agree. I wish they worked. But, from what I've seen over and over is that "cleanses" just mobilize toxins and dump them into the blood circulation, making one feel worse during "die-off".


The toxins must be managed by the body and are sequestered into the gut, brain, organs, muscles, fetus and breastmilk to protect us. AFTER the mobilized toxins resettle into our body organs, we feel “better” than we did DURING the “cleanse”. That is not HEALING, that is a shell game. And the candida just recurs again and again requiring more and more expensive “cleanses”.



Other than during active toxin exposures, our *blood* levels of heavy metals are not elevated BECAUSE our body protects us by storing them OUT of blood circulation. Here is more about Candida sequestering heavy metals: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/profiles/blogs/candida-101


And about the dangers of “cleanses” without first addressing nutrient deficiencies and opening detoxification pathways: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/profiles/blogs/cleanses-1


Here is a basic explanation of detoxification issues:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/detox-obstacle-course


And a liver detox tutorial: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/video/basic-liver-detox


And a more in depth Liver Detoxification discussion: http://tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html


Additionally, "Nystatin and Diflucan, and Hydrogen Peroxide IV's" are not natural tools of healing.

Nystatin is a prescription drug with many artificial ingredients and precautions. Plus it contains sugar which has been documented to increase oral thrush when consumed.
http://www.rxlist.com/nystatin-oral-suspension-drug.htm
http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/22396/SPC/nystatin-dome%20...


Diflucan (fluconazole) is a strong, systemic pharmaceutical prescription medication.

Diflucan is a FDA pregnancy category D. Do not take more than 1 dose of Diflucan if you are pregnant. Long-term use of Diflucan can harm an unborn baby or cause birth defects. http://www.drugs.com/diflucan.html


Diflucan product WARNINGS, include:

Hepatic injury: DIFLUCAN should be administered with caution to patients with liver dysfunction. Some azoles, including fluconazole, have been associated with prolongation of the QT interval on the electorcardiogram. During post-marketing surveillance, there have been rare cases of QT prolongation and torsade de pointes in patients taking fluconazole.


Concomitant use of fluconazole and erythromycin has the potential to increase the risk of cardiotoxicity (prolonged QT interval, torsade de pointes) and consequently sudden heart death. This combination should be avoided.


Fluconazole should be administered with caution to patients with renal dysfunction.
Fluconazole is a potent CYP2C9 inhibitor and a moderate CYP3A4 inhibitor. Fluconazole treated patients who are concomitantly treated with drugs with a narrow therapeutic window metabolized through CYP2C9 and CYP3A4 should be monitored.

http://www.rxlist.com/diflucan-drug/warnings-precautions.htm


The CYP issue is related to poor detoxification genetics. Did your ND test for this gene risk before prescribing Diflucan?


Nursing Mothers - Fluconazole is secreted in human milk at concentrations similar to plasma. Therefore, the use of DIFLUCAN in nursing mothers is not recommended.
http://www.rxlist.com/diflucan-drug/warnings-precautions.htm

Consider the long list of other drugs which interact and increase Diflucan side-effects and risks, including antidepressants, NSAIDs, cholesterol meds, heart or blood pressure medications, anti-diabetic medications, birth control pills, etc.: http://www.drugs.com/diflucan.html


Hormonal birth control (eg, birth control pills) may not work as well while you are
using Diflucan.


Post-Marketing Reports of Side-Effects: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/diflucan-side-effects.html


Here is the pharmaceutical manufacturer package insert for Diflucan: http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=575


No way would I allow anyone to inject hydrogen peroxide into my veins. Hydrogen peroxide damages cells.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1153333/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2803102
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10375440
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2149485/pdf/brjcancersu...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1153333/
http://altmed.creighton.edu/o2tx/H202.htm


And this space, Heal Thyself!, is about empowering ourselves to tune into our bodies and use whole food nutrition and other natural tools to live our best lives. I have a fundamental trust in our body's ability to do just that. I don't need confirmation or approval from "experts" or biomedical tests. I was in the medical industry for decades; I know how they look at the body. I know their 'go to' tools. Once I left that paradigm behind, I began to see differently. I saw others who cared for their bodies and who were mindful of what they put into their bodies. They did not embrace fear-based medicine and dependency upon laboratory tests to tell them about *their* body. AND they were healthy and thriving!



Heal Thyself! is for people who are interested in that. Everyone will, of course, use her own discretion and judgment to determine whether she is comfortable or needs to seek professional assistance. But the discussions here will center around trusting our bodies, finding optimal nutrition for our bodies and embracing natural health.


Fermented foods help to rebalance the gut microbials NATURALLY. There are some 500-1000 different microbials which inhabit and reproduce in the gut. Commercial, bottled probiotics, although expensive are often heat-damaged, do not survive stomach acid to colonize the gut and are limited in variety and quantity.


More about Probiotic Selection: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/profiles/blogs/probiotic-selection


(continued)

You might want to refer to Andy Cutler, author of "Amalgam Illness", regarding the one-thiol vs. two-thiol groups binding mercury for excretion.
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG9glNfif5YC&dq=chlorella+mercury+cutler+amalgam+illness&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=Lu_lS6rRI4SClAe09PGNDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=chlorella&f=false

Basically, one thiol groups do not bind as tightly to mercury (and other heavy metals) as substances in the two thiol group, and thus mobilizing mercury around from "stored" locations in the body, but do not necessarily shuttle it safely out of the body.

Similarly, "cleanses" do not bind or escort heavy metals out of the body. Mobilized mercury circulates in the blood to redeposit into the brain, organs, gut, fetus and breastmilk. There are specific nutrients which help to escort toxins. Additionally, there are chelators which can only be used *after* all mercury fillings have been safely removed by IAOMT protocols. Chelating with mercury fillings in the mouth is dangerous. Chelating should not be done while ttc, pregnant or nursing.

There are nutrients which help the body to optimize detox pathways naturally, such as magnesium, B6, B12, folate, zinc, molybdenum, selenium, sulfate. Vit C, selenium. Bentonite clay and kelp (heavy metal tested, organic) help to bind heavy metals and escort them out. Actively detoxing heavy metals has significant risks and is safest with a professional's personalized support after amalgam removal.

More about amalgam removal risks and protocols: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/profiles/blogs/amalgam-removal-risks-and

For instance, candida binds with mercury to sequester it out of circulation. Detox programs generally only mobilize, not excrete mercury. Nutrients are necessary to remove the mercury, and there is variable 'bandwidth' for us to excrete mercury. It is like a funnel. You can pour a bunch of toxins in, but the outlet is only so wide, the rest overflows through skin or affects lungs which are detox pathways also.

Kombucha has a beneficial yeast (Saccharomyces Boulardii) which displaces and replaces candida albicans in the gut. The issue with this is, as candida is displaced it "dies-off" and releases toxins and mercury.

Pesticides are stored in the fat of animals and humans. Obviously, I don't know your detoxification tolerance, genetics, cleanse/herbal history, nutrient deficiencies, or toxin exposures. I don't support kombucha for people with mercury in their mouth (nor for the 12 months after amalgam removal).

Again, any significant shift in the gut ph releases the toxins from the dying bacteria and yeasts, and dumps MORE toxins into blood circulation - whatever the source of "killing" the candida and bacteria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC182692/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC182692/?page=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15091870?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=8

Plenty of people actively "attack" candida and do "cleanses". Unfortunately, I've too often observed and heard of hundreds of people getting worse (and (re)storing more toxins in increased fat deposits) due to actively doing "candida cleanses".

For more information about healing naturally, keep updated on Facebook  Heal Thyself! 
Overwhelmed? Where to start?     ~Become your own Gut Guru!

 

Welcome, we hope you will join us!

 

Pat RobinsonWellness Educator

 

 

P.S. Favorite Posts:

     •  14 Steps For Healthy Guts

     •  The Beet Test (stomach acid?) 

     •  Candida 101 

     •  Green Smoothie Challenge

     •  Healthy Poop 101

     •  Master Tonic 101 

     •  Nettle Leaf herbal infusions 101.

     •  Overwhelmed? Where to Start?!

     •  Probiotic Selection

P.P.S.  •  Favorite Topics        •  Extensive Video Library     •  Join in the discussions! 

 

 

Views: 7090

Comment by Mercedes Brian on March 28, 2012 at 8:33pm

I had candida overgrowths and was on a non-stop candida diet with cleanses (yeast killer, rotate this, clay, psyllium seed extract, twice a day) for years.  Then, I ran into the "fire"!  I ate blue cheese, kefir, sourdough bread, mushrooms, miso, and so on, with green smoothies every day, expecting that I could tolerate it for a week before I'd go back to the diet and cleanse routine.  To my delight I had not one overgrowth moment and haven't had one for over two years.  Do try the fermented route.  It's way more fun to add food than to take it away. 

Comment by Pat Robinson on March 28, 2012 at 8:40pm

Yes, opening detox pathways  by addressing nutrient deficiencies is key, I believe.


Pat

Comment by Gilla Weiss on April 14, 2012 at 9:07pm

wow pat :) that was amazing.so much good info for all of us. Ialways find I have more to learn and I have to say that I totally agree with you. More and more I believe that addressing  our nutrient deficiencies, opening our detox pathways and nurturing with  fermented foods, nourishing herbs, minerals , greens  etc; are the way to heal.   

Comment

You need to be a member of Heal Thyself! to add comments!

Join Heal Thyself!

Newsletter

Adrenal Fatigue?

New eCourse: You can feel better. You will feel better!

 

 

Start Here...

                Master Tonic 101

          14 Steps for Healthy Guts

   The Beet Test (stomach acid)

                Healthy Poop 101

Overwhelmed? Where To Start?

                      Candida 101

Signs and Symptoms of Magnesium Deficiency


        Nettle Leaf Infusion 101

            10pm Bedtime Club 14-Day Green Smoothie Challenge

        Sharing Starter Cultures

               Probiotic Selection

       Water Kefir vs. Kombucha         Natural Remedies for Flu

Latest Activity

Christian Bell updated their profile
Dec 3
Kristalina Georgieva updated their profile
Jan 17
Profile IconHollie Ilene Smith, Aisha Al Mazrouei, Stella Abud and 5 more joined Heal Thyself!
Nov 25, 2021
Shelly Robison updated their profile
Jul 9, 2021
Rev W-W updated their profile
Feb 3, 2021
Profile IconMara Stova, Trickels and Lisa Lane joined Heal Thyself!
Dec 11, 2020
Theresa B. Kinscherf updated their profile
Nov 5, 2020
Profile IconChantelle Trudeau, lesley kramer, Stella Abu and 5 more joined Heal Thyself!
Oct 31, 2020
Kelly B updated their profile
Oct 18, 2020
Rhonda is now a member of Heal Thyself!
Sep 25, 2020
Valerie A. Handleton is now a member of Heal Thyself!
Sep 18, 2020
Pat Robinson updated their profile
Feb 15, 2020
Profile IconKailani Fox and ELLEN M. CORNIA joined Heal Thyself!
Feb 1, 2019
Tiffany Compton updated their profile
Jan 17, 2019
Marlis Ahmed updated their profile
Jan 8, 2019
Profile Iconmark mlinaric, Pamela Roberts, JoAnne Wajer and 17 more joined Heal Thyself!
Jan 4, 2019
Profile IconEileen Ortiz, Claudette Russell, Pam Bulluck and 12 more joined Heal Thyself!
Oct 5, 2017
Profile IconDesiree Turner, Elena Reed, Debra Montenegro and 30 more joined Heal Thyself!
Jul 25, 2017
Alisha Kapoor posted a blog post
Jul 25, 2017
Edward Kendal joined Shannon's group
May 24, 2017

Videos

  • Add Videos
  • View All

Disclaimer

Wellness is an active process of personal accountability.

This list shares personal experience and information only and should not be taken as medical advice. All opinions and information shared are the views of the individual member.

Everyone must use her own discretion and judgment to determine whether you are comfortable or need to seek professional assistance. We are not your doctor.

The information contained in these pages is not intended to take the place of your health professional's advice. It is derived from our personal experience and research, and may shed light on your health complaints. In case of serious ailments which may not respond favorably, please seek the counsel of a qualified health professional.


"What do you expect the doctor to do? He can only prescribe something that will mask the symptoms until you heal yourself. He can not heal you."~ Gitti

Heal Thyself!

“Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food.” --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)

Blog Posts

Homemade Beauty Tips to Enhance Beauty Naturally

Posted by Alisha Kapoor on August 12, 2016 at 1:19pm

Cancer Vaccines Are Profitable Business

Posted by Pat Robinson on May 5, 2015 at 5:00pm — 1 Comment

Vaccine Safety and the CDC

Posted by Pat Robinson on March 29, 2015 at 7:30pm

I certainly don't fear the measles.

Posted by Pat Robinson on January 23, 2015 at 10:59am — 3 Comments

Gluten-Free Snacks

Posted by Pat Robinson on May 26, 2014 at 8:30pm

Cholesterol 101

Posted by Pat Robinson on May 20, 2014 at 8:00pm

Safe Detox Protocol

Posted by Pat Robinson on May 4, 2014 at 9:00pm

Ella’s Story

Posted by Pat Robinson on April 19, 2014 at 12:00pm

Naturally Sweetened Treats

Posted by Pat Robinson on February 25, 2014 at 7:30pm

© 2024   Created by Pat Robinson.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service