Heal Thyself!2024-03-29T07:42:25ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubayhttp://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1965834427?profile=RESIZE_48X48&width=48&height=48&crop=1%3A1http://heal-thyself.ning.com/group/nutritionbiochemistry/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=19zx46a4m701e&feed=yes&xn_auth=no"folic acid vs. folate"tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2011-01-26:2814160:Topic:198692011-01-26T20:03:02.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">I have an interesting and confusing issue I'm trying to untangle. I'm in the process of qualifying the <em><strong>Garden of Life</strong></em> products to be included in our <em>Buyer's Club</em>. Here is my dilemma with their description of their "whole food form as The nutrient that we begin with is usually isolated from a proprietary food source.. I've communicated with their product specialist seeking…</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">I have an interesting and confusing issue I'm trying to untangle. I'm in the process of qualifying the <em><strong>Garden of Life</strong></em> products to be included in our <em>Buyer's Club</em>. Here is my dilemma with their description of their "whole food form as The nutrient that we begin with is usually isolated from a proprietary food source.. I've communicated with their product specialist seeking clarification.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">There is a significant difference in the body whether their vitamin is in the chemical form of folic acid (as indicated on the product) or if it is actually food folate 5-methyltetrahydrofolate (5-MTHF). They have indicated that they are going to alter the label to conform with their belief that it is actually "folate", not folic acid. <br/><br/>I'm told: "the Vitamin Code Supplements contain folate and not folic acid. We have absolutely varified this with our manufacturer and as a result we are currently in the process of changing all of our labels to reflect this information. We do not have any information to claim that it is 5-methyltetrahydrofolate. It would be the same as what is in food."</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>However</strong></span> here is the processing to create their "food-created nutrients":</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><<< At the same time the yeast is growing, in a separate cultivation tank, the isolated selenium has a specific peptide complexed to it. A peptide is a chain of amino acids and they play an important role in the absorption of selenium by the yeast during the growing and metabolization process. <br/><br/>At the proper time in the growing process, the peptide complexed selenium is added to the growing S. cerevisiae. The peptide allows the selenium to pass through the cell wall of the S. cerevisiae. <br/><br/>Without the peptide, the selenium could not penetrate the cell wall of the yeast. The selenium would remain an inorganic salt, a lifeless material. However, the peptide allows the selenium access to the S. cerevisiae where it displaces sulfur and then imbeds itself to specific amino acids in the natural protein backbone of S. cerevisiae. <br/><br/>The selenium becomes a part of the S. cerevisiae. Since S. cerevisiae already contains some selenium, it also contains all of the co-factors you would normally associate with selenium. The end result then is S. cerevisiae that is rich in selenium and selenium co-factors. <br/><br/>In order to halt the growing process of the S. cerevisiae and make the nutrients created more available, enzymes called papain (from papaya) are then added to break down the cell wall of the S. cerevisiae. Once this is accomplished the enzymes are deactivated. >></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><a href="http://www.thevitamincode.com/RAW/RawFoodCreatedNutrients/tabid/1307/Default.aspx">http://www.thevitamincode.com/RAW/RawFoodCreatedNutrients/tabid/1307/Default.aspx</a></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">To ME, <strong>this sounds like an engineering process modifying the cell wall of the yeast with isolated selenium, a chemical isolate</strong>. Further, it displaces the natural chemical components (sulfur) and this process is manipulated to break the cell wall even. This seems a very unnatural modification of the yeast.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">My precise inquiry was if the "folic acid" is folic acid or 5-methyltetrahydrofolate.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><em><strong>Does this sound like "food folate" to you all?</strong></em> How does Thorne make the "5-MTHF", I wonder? Or is this just an assumption that folic acid = food folate??</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">What are your thoughts? I only want to host products which include natural folate.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Thanks!</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-4" style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Pat</span></p> Resourcestag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-08-07:2814160:Topic:91542010-08-07T23:07:15.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
Please share links to blogs, sites, videos and resources about Nutrition Biochemistry!<br/>
Please share links to blogs, sites, videos and resources about Nutrition Biochemistry!<br/> magnesiumtag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-04:2814160:Topic:30302009-04-04T22:32:16.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html
http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html lemon juicetag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-03:2814160:Topic:30012009-04-03T18:07:58.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
I'm trying to figure out what exactly is going on when you use lemon juice to support the kidneys. I think my kidneys are my weak point, and it seems that dd reacts strongly to me drinking fresh lemon or lime juice on an empty(ish) stomach.<br />
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<a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/3076201806145077/">http://www.springerlink.com/content/3076201806145077/</a>
I'm trying to figure out what exactly is going on when you use lemon juice to support the kidneys. I think my kidneys are my weak point, and it seems that dd reacts strongly to me drinking fresh lemon or lime juice on an empty(ish) stomach.<br />
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<a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/3076201806145077/">http://www.springerlink.com/content/3076201806145077/</a> glutathionetag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-03:2814160:Topic:29952009-04-03T00:39:49.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
Glutathione is made from cysteine, glycine and glutamate, using the enzymes gamma-glutamylcysteine synthetase (glutamate+glycine) and glutathione synthetase (adds the glycine).<br />
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Cysteine is supposed to be the limiter. Cysteine comes from breaking down homocysteine, which depends on magnesium and B6.<br />
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Glutathione uses selenium to detoxify hydrogen peroxide. H2O2 is a common end product of antioxidant action.<br />
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Glutathione uses niacin and riboflavin to regenerate itself.
Glutathione is made from cysteine, glycine and glutamate, using the enzymes gamma-glutamylcysteine synthetase (glutamate+glycine) and glutathione synthetase (adds the glycine).<br />
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Cysteine is supposed to be the limiter. Cysteine comes from breaking down homocysteine, which depends on magnesium and B6.<br />
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Glutathione uses selenium to detoxify hydrogen peroxide. H2O2 is a common end product of antioxidant action.<br />
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Glutathione uses niacin and riboflavin to regenerate itself. ammoniatag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-02:2814160:Topic:29892009-04-02T23:13:51.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
ammonia is converted into urea using two molecules of BH4 (tetrabiopterin)<br />
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alpha ketoglutarate binds with two ammonia ions to make glutamate<br />
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<a href="http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14567090">carnitine protects</a> against high glutamate levels
ammonia is converted into urea using two molecules of BH4 (tetrabiopterin)<br />
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alpha ketoglutarate binds with two ammonia ions to make glutamate<br />
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<a href="http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14567090">carnitine protects</a> against high glutamate levels histaminetag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-02:2814160:Topic:29432009-04-02T01:03:58.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
<a href="http://www.ionchannels.org/showabstract.php?pmid=2425593">calcium mediates histamine somehow</a><br />
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antihistamines increase your chance of cavities (just lost the good link, it has to do with asthma medication)<br />
<a href="http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstract&ArtikelNr=95297&Ausgabe=232169&ProduktNr=224161">people with allergies have increased saliva flow</a>
<a href="http://www.ionchannels.org/showabstract.php?pmid=2425593">calcium mediates histamine somehow</a><br />
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antihistamines increase your chance of cavities (just lost the good link, it has to do with asthma medication)<br />
<a href="http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstract&ArtikelNr=95297&Ausgabe=232169&ProduktNr=224161">people with allergies have increased saliva flow</a> vitamin Atag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-01:2814160:Topic:28732009-04-01T03:39:14.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
<a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1242312">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1242312</a><br />
"...retinoic acid attenuates B cell proliferation to promote maturation and differentiation into antibodies."
<a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1242312">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1242312</a><br />
"...retinoic acid attenuates B cell proliferation to promote maturation and differentiation into antibodies." sulfate metabolismtag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-04-01:2814160:Topic:28682009-04-01T01:24:37.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
sulfate is reabsorbed in the kidneys<br />
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<a href="http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/full/225/1/49">http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/full/225/1/49</a><br />
<a href="http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/287/4/E744">http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/287/4/E744</a>
sulfate is reabsorbed in the kidneys<br />
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<a href="http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/full/225/1/49">http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/full/225/1/49</a><br />
<a href="http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/287/4/E744">http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/287/4/E744</a> vitamin Dtag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-03-31:2814160:Topic:28612009-03-31T21:59:23.000ZKathryn Dubayhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/KathrynDubay
<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_13/ai_n27945310">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_13/ai_n27945310</a>
<a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_13/ai_n27945310">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_13/ai_n27945310</a>