Thyroid 101 - Heal Thyself!2024-03-29T00:00:35Zhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/thyroid-101?commentId=2814160%3AComment%3A9022&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI understand. We have to be…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2011-05-25:2814160:Comment:318212011-05-25T23:13:13.655ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
I understand. We have to be responsible for the research ourselves!<br/><br/>Please do share any interesting info you find! <br/><br/>Personally, I eat kelp, seafood, use sea salt liberally, eat goitrogens and selenium. <br/><br/><br/><br/>Pat
I understand. We have to be responsible for the research ourselves!<br/><br/>Please do share any interesting info you find! <br/><br/>Personally, I eat kelp, seafood, use sea salt liberally, eat goitrogens and selenium. <br/><br/><br/><br/>Pat thanks Pat :) I knew you woul…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2011-05-25:2814160:Comment:319302011-05-25T22:56:53.846ZGilla Weisshttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/GillaWeiss
thanks Pat :) I knew you would know about this and have tons of smart info!<br />
Iam slowly working my way through the links.<br />
It annoys me that most dr's don't want to test for tpo, thyroid antibodies.....<br />
I took my 2 dd's for check ups and specifically asked for that and the dr. was trying to convince me why we don't need to test for thyroid antibodies even after I told him that my mil has hashimotos.........<br />
I wish I could afford to have everyone tested privately and I decided what tests to do :)
thanks Pat :) I knew you would know about this and have tons of smart info!<br />
Iam slowly working my way through the links.<br />
It annoys me that most dr's don't want to test for tpo, thyroid antibodies.....<br />
I took my 2 dd's for check ups and specifically asked for that and the dr. was trying to convince me why we don't need to test for thyroid antibodies even after I told him that my mil has hashimotos.........<br />
I wish I could afford to have everyone tested privately and I decided what tests to do :) Gilla, you ask the million do…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2011-05-24:2814160:Comment:322032011-05-24T19:52:05.375ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
Gilla, you ask the million dollar question. There are the Brownstein Iodine Advocates and the Kharrazian Iodine-Hashimoto Naysayers. From what I have seen in the many people taking Iodine for thyroid in the alternative circles, there are large portion who feel better initially and a large portion who feel like they are dying from the toxin dump. <br></br><br></br>There is a large segment of the population with detoxification issues and the iodine makes things worse because it triggers them into a…
Gilla, you ask the million dollar question. There are the Brownstein Iodine Advocates and the Kharrazian Iodine-Hashimoto Naysayers. From what I have seen in the many people taking Iodine for thyroid in the alternative circles, there are large portion who feel better initially and a large portion who feel like they are dying from the toxin dump. <br/><br/>There is a large segment of the population with detoxification issues and the iodine makes things worse because it triggers them into a raging autoimmune dysfunction. The iodine isn't the cause, it is the trigger, perhaps. Detoxification dysfunction is common to 40% of the American population with the MTHFR gene polymorphism. And from what I've read, some 70+ percent of women have Hashimotos, not your run of the mill hypothyroid. Compounded by the nutrient deficiencies that pregnancy and nursing can lead to in our SAD (nutrient-deficient) culture, I do NOT feel comfortable with the iodine supplementation that Brownstein advocates. <br/><br/>However, two or three of my most respected nutritional mentors disagree with me. :-) I will say that we/they didn't know about the MTHFR gene and detoxification dysfunction and the concerns regarding displacing mercury from the thyroid during iodine supplementation, before 2009.<br/><br/>These discussions are informative in your exploration of this dilemma: <br/><br/><br/>There were some really informative articles about iodine in the latest Wise Traditions. Read <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/modern-diseases/metabolic-disorders/1660-best-kept-secret.html" target="_blank">Best Kept Secret</a>.<br/> <br/> And, <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/modern-diseases/metabolic-disorders/1662-the-great-iodine-debate.html" target="_blank">The Great Iodine Debate</a> by Sally Fallon Morell - <b>15 pages about iodine</b>! <br/> <br/> <br/> <b><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1091794&highlight=thyroid+sally" target="_blank"><b>THE Iodine Thread</b></a></b><br/> <br/> <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=685848&highlight=thyroid" target="_blank"><b>THE Adrenal Fatigue Thread</b></a> and <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1153174&highlight=adrenal+fatigue+thread"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Adrenal Fatigue Thread (Part II)</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"/></a> <br/> <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=946468&highlight=thyroid" target="_blank">The <span class="highlight">Thyroid</span> Thread (Part II)</a><br/> <br/> <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1077629&highlight=thyroid" target="_blank">My story, my cure...</a><br/> <br/> Start at the back of those long threads, then read the first page or so.<br/><br/><br/><a href="http://www.annecollins.com/hypothyroidism-weight-gain.htm">Thyroid and food</a><br/><br/><br/>I will say that I do not believe that detoxification or healing should make you feel worse. And many people "push through die-off" and I believe that our body is sending a message and it is healthier to listen than to ignore feeling bad. They have a term for the healing crisis called a "Herxheimer reaction". I do not agree with that philosophy, myself. <br/><br/><strong>The caution is once you mess up your immune system with iodine supplementation</strong>, even Brownstein agrees, "Oops". But, oops is too late, when it is YOU. <br/><br/>Dr. B: <a href="http://www.iodine4health.com/disease/thyroidisease/autoimmune/brownstein_autoimmune.htm" target="_blank">http://www.iodine4health.com/disease/thyroidisease/autoimmune/brownstein_autoimmune.htm</a><br/><br/>Dr. K: <a href="http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/" target="_blank">http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/</a><br/><br/><br/>Browstein: <font size="2" face="arial">" I agree that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions. Iodine supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem can be akin to pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid conditions that are not autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods can actually help the thyroid function better."<br/><br/></font><a href="http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/brownstein-hormones.htm" target="_blank">http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/brownstein-hormones.htm</a><br/><br/><br/>I ain't taking the iodine.<br/><br/><br/>Pat Just trying to bump this disc…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2011-05-24:2814160:Comment:319212011-05-24T17:30:00.756ZGilla Weisshttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/GillaWeiss
<p>Just trying to bump this discussion back up !!!</p>
<p>I have been reading the book " why do I still have thyroid symptoms" by Datis Kharrazian.</p>
<p>It is also very informative and interesting and he has a lot of education and experience and seems to really have the science behind his theory. He says that most hypo thyroid that do not respond or initially respond to medication and then while their labs show normal they still have symptoms is because they have hashimotos and that is…</p>
<p>Just trying to bump this discussion back up !!!</p>
<p>I have been reading the book " why do I still have thyroid symptoms" by Datis Kharrazian.</p>
<p>It is also very informative and interesting and he has a lot of education and experience and seems to really have the science behind his theory. He says that most hypo thyroid that do not respond or initially respond to medication and then while their labs show normal they still have symptoms is because they have hashimotos and that is the most important test . Also hashis is first and foremost an immune disorder and should be treated as such.</p>
<p>most of his nutritional/herbal/natural recommendations seem really good except for the one biggie......</p>
<p>IODINE!!!</p>
<p>He claims that iodine to hashis is like adding gasoline to a fire!!!!!!</p>
<p>He has read dr.Brownstein's book and agrees that for non hashimotos iodine could help but goes on to explain how many naturopaths prescribe iodine for hypo and many patients feel beeter for a while and then back to not feeling better or it just doesn't help ........</p>
<p>Anyhoo, I would really like to have somones input on this, I don't know if it has been discussed somewhere before but it is really interesting and really making me think here.</p>
<p>I even spoke to someone in my area that has a practice based on his recommendations and she says that she has a high rate of success.</p>
<p>somehow it bothers me, the iodine thing.....since it is always recommended....</p>
<p>please someone tell me you have read about this, or will look it up and we can explore this more. I probably didn't express what it is he does do very well, but I find it fascinating, since something like this can be the missing piece of someones puzzle......... </p>
<p> </p> news to me!
I did just read…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-08-06:2814160:Comment:90222010-08-06T21:22:44.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
news to me!<br />
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I did just read that water/soaking makes a food lose a lot of selenium. I wonder if the processing includes washing and thus losing selenium?<br />
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I read this about variable selenium values and worry more about 'too much': "Brazil nuts are not uniform in their selenium content and may contain much more or much less than the estimated 50 micrograms per nut. No more than one or two Brail nuts should be consumed daily to avoid excessive accumulation of selenium in tissues. "…
news to me!<br />
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I did just read that water/soaking makes a food lose a lot of selenium. I wonder if the processing includes washing and thus losing selenium?<br />
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I read this about variable selenium values and worry more about 'too much': "Brazil nuts are not uniform in their selenium content and may contain much more or much less than the estimated 50 micrograms per nut. No more than one or two Brail nuts should be consumed daily to avoid excessive accumulation of selenium in tissues. "<br />
<a href="http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=95" target="_blank">http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=95</a><br />
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"Brazil nuts may contain as much as 544 micrograms of selenium per ounce."<br />
<a href="http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp" target="_blank">http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp</a><br />
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"Brazil nuts grown in areas of Brazil with selenium-rich soil may provide more than 100 mcg of selenium in one nut, while those grown in selenium-poor soil may provide ten times less."<br />
<a href="http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/selenium/" target="_blank">http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/selenium/</a><br />
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So, I eat two most days and some days none.<br />
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thanks for the info.<br />
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Pat I read somewhere that once a…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-08-06:2814160:Comment:90202010-08-06T20:56:12.000ZRachel Jhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/RachelJ
I read somewhere that once a Brazil nut was shelled it lost much of it's selenium. I believe the recommendation I saw was two freshly shelled or about 8 pre-shelled. I saw this a few years ago, maybe on Mercola? But of course I can't remember now :) Any idea about that?
I read somewhere that once a Brazil nut was shelled it lost much of it's selenium. I believe the recommendation I saw was two freshly shelled or about 8 pre-shelled. I saw this a few years ago, maybe on Mercola? But of course I can't remember now :) Any idea about that? Btw, there is a big controver…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-05-21:2814160:Comment:79192010-05-21T15:57:14.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
Btw, there is a big controversy about whether fermenting <i>lowers or increases</i> the goitrogenic properties of cruciferous veggies.<br />
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There is general agreement that heat/cooking decreases the goitrogenic properties.<br />
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Pat
Btw, there is a big controversy about whether fermenting <i>lowers or increases</i> the goitrogenic properties of cruciferous veggies.<br />
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There is general agreement that heat/cooking decreases the goitrogenic properties.<br />
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Pat I purchase them raw from our…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-05-21:2814160:Comment:79182010-05-21T15:54:01.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
I purchase them raw from our local EarthFare.<br />
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I really don't know of a raw nut source online. I'll ask around. It is very expensive to purchase retail raw nuts.<br />
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Pat
I purchase them raw from our local EarthFare.<br />
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I really don't know of a raw nut source online. I'll ask around. It is very expensive to purchase retail raw nuts.<br />
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Pat Where do you get your Brazil…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-05-21:2814160:Comment:79172010-05-21T15:46:18.000ZLaurie Nevermanhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/LaurieNeverman
Where do you get your Brazil nuts? I've been disappointed with the quality of some of the nuts I've purchased.
Where do you get your Brazil nuts? I've been disappointed with the quality of some of the nuts I've purchased. i always die a bit inside whe…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-03-03:2814160:Comment:17652009-03-03T23:18:23.000Zlisahttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/lisa
i always die a bit inside when kale is a possible culprit with an imbalance. lol<br />
i eat copious amounts of this super food!
i always die a bit inside when kale is a possible culprit with an imbalance. lol<br />
i eat copious amounts of this super food!