food intolerance, metal toxicity and now parasite! - Heal Thyself!2024-03-28T14:57:33Zhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal?commentId=2814160%3AComment%3A6648&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI was just curious if the OP…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2012-07-25:2814160:Comment:622322012-07-25T14:32:27.450Zmomofminehttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/momofmine
<p>I was just curious if the OP had any progress. Did your retest after treating for the parasite?</p>
<p>I was just curious if the OP had any progress. Did your retest after treating for the parasite?</p> I just read the Ejuva website…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-01-03:2814160:Comment:66722010-01-03T01:21:28.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
I just read the Ejuva website. It does not provide a list of ingredients. It doesn't mention mercury toxic people. I'd rather do <a href="http://www.juicefeasting.com/" target="_blank">Juice Feasting</a>. Then you know what you are consuming. This 'take a pill of herbs' of TCM doesn't work for me either. But, I'd consider individual treatment with a practitioner who evaluated my history and needs first. I did see they had a 'mail order health assessment' alternative also.<br />
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I just read the Ejuva website. It does not provide a list of ingredients. It doesn't mention mercury toxic people. I'd rather do <a href="http://www.juicefeasting.com/" target="_blank">Juice Feasting</a>. Then you know what you are consuming. This 'take a pill of herbs' of TCM doesn't work for me either. But, I'd consider individual treatment with a practitioner who evaluated my history and needs first. I did see they had a 'mail order health assessment' alternative also.<br />
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David Wolfe is a marketing genius. He is a nutritional guru also. But, I kinda like knowing what I put in my body, you know.<br />
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Pat Yep, I'd focus on optimizing…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-01-03:2814160:Comment:66712010-01-03T00:54:40.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
Yep, I'd focus on optimizing detox pathways and sourcing ways to excrete the metals first, rather than releasing them into the circulation with food.<br />
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Yep, I'd focus on optimizing detox pathways and sourcing ways to excrete the metals first, rather than releasing them into the circulation with food.<br />
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Pat I'd include some kombucha whi…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-01-03:2814160:Comment:66702010-01-03T00:42:34.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
I'd include some kombucha which recolonizes the gut. Only small amounts as it kills off candida. You don't want to be releasing mercury quickly as it just redeposits in organs and brain. 1 tablespoon a day to start or a couple of ounces a couple of times a week. Follow with 4+ gms of vit C!! (in divided doses), and selenium.<br />
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Bentonite clay is another 'natural' alternative. I basically feel we probably did ingest some quantity of clay historically.…
I'd include some kombucha which recolonizes the gut. Only small amounts as it kills off candida. You don't want to be releasing mercury quickly as it just redeposits in organs and brain. 1 tablespoon a day to start or a couple of ounces a couple of times a week. Follow with 4+ gms of vit C!! (in divided doses), and selenium.<br />
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Bentonite clay is another 'natural' alternative. I basically feel we probably did ingest some quantity of clay historically.<br />
<a href="http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/bentonite-clay.htm" target="_blank">http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/bentonite-clay.htm</a> Although, I haven't tried this, it does help with sopping up heavy metals, as does kelp. But, you need organic, heavy metal tested kelp, only, imo.<br />
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Some probiotics are transient. Kefir, specifically milk kefir recolonizes the gut also. Not certain about water kefir, probably/possibly.<br />
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Any chance to get breastmilk for healing? Or even bovine colostrum? I've recently read how beneficial the colostrum is for gut healing. Although, I'd only get grass-fed, A2 unpasteurized milk!<br />
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Honey helps bifidum to reproduce.<br />
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This indicates that lactobacillus colonize the (mouse) gut. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC203519/" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC203519/</a><br />
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Foods to help Phase I and Phase II detox pathways: <a href="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/nutrient-dense-foods?commentId=2814160%3AComment%3A655">http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/nutrient-dense-foods?commentId=2814160%3AComment%3A655</a><br />
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I figure the narrative is the most healing part of posting. It helps to collect and organize the chronology. I've found it helpful to hear your process too. Thanks for posting!<br />
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Pat Hmmm... I'm struggling to rep…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-01-03:2814160:Comment:66692010-01-03T00:26:53.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
Hmmm... I'm struggling to reply to your inquiries, lol. The computer just locked up and lost my reply.<br />
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Short version.<br />
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Silver jewelry is usually nickel allergy. I'm not keen on ingesting silver.<br />
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Garlic kills candida and releases mercury.<br />
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I'd focus on whole foods for gut healing. Especially adequate vit A. Another alternative is Black Seed (nigella sativa) and black seed oil. I can provide dozens of links about its benefits, if you are unfamiliar. Basically, used 2-3000 years for traditional…
Hmmm... I'm struggling to reply to your inquiries, lol. The computer just locked up and lost my reply.<br />
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Short version.<br />
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Silver jewelry is usually nickel allergy. I'm not keen on ingesting silver.<br />
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Garlic kills candida and releases mercury.<br />
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I'd focus on whole foods for gut healing. Especially adequate vit A. Another alternative is Black Seed (nigella sativa) and black seed oil. I can provide dozens of links about its benefits, if you are unfamiliar. Basically, used 2-3000 years for traditional healing in the middle east. Very safe and cheap and available easily. Doesn't taste great but is amazing.<br />
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"I wonder if the key is to have a healthy intestinal balance and diet that will keep such parasites at low enough levels that they're harmless. "<br />
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That is my belief. But, I/we are starting with an impaired gut, as is ds due to mercury, antibiotics, yada, yada.<br />
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Sources about honey and parasites? I couldn't locate them.<br />
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Who knows what gut imbalances further complicated natural healing in that linked story of the man with the D. fragilis and B. hominis. Whether he had other detox issues, nutrient deficiencies, heavy metal issues, steroid history...<br />
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Pat OMGosh, I did not see or get…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-01-02:2814160:Comment:66682010-01-02T23:59:16.000ZPat Robinsonhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/PatRobinson
OMGosh, I did not see or get notified of your replies! I'm just reading now. I'm not sure how I didn't see them either. And the forum didn't register that I posted in this thread already. Grrr...<br />
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I didn't know about the Susan Weed forum!!! I'm delighted you posted that thread. I just registered there!<br />
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I'd heard of the antimicrobial tainting studies which indicate that the GSE doesn't have antimicrobial properties inherently. Triclosan is the devil! I recently read that it has contaminated our…
OMGosh, I did not see or get notified of your replies! I'm just reading now. I'm not sure how I didn't see them either. And the forum didn't register that I posted in this thread already. Grrr...<br />
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I didn't know about the Susan Weed forum!!! I'm delighted you posted that thread. I just registered there!<br />
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I'd heard of the antimicrobial tainting studies which indicate that the GSE doesn't have antimicrobial properties inherently. Triclosan is the devil! I recently read that it has contaminated our rivers to such a degree due to ubiquitous antimicrobial soaps that it is damaging our agricultural micro-organisms. Triclosan scares the daylights out of me. Having said that, Triclosan is about impossible to avoid nowadays. On the other hand, I'm not a fan of GSE although, it might be safer than antibiotics, when push comes to shove. The fact that Ayurveda and TCM doesn't have a history of using grapefruit seed extract limits my willingness to believe it has benefits separate from the (questionable) tainting.<br />
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Comfort, especially for toddlers needing sleep has a lot of pull to *do something*!<br />
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Will read more.<br />
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Pat Hi Tanya, thanks for chiming…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2010-01-02:2814160:Comment:66672010-01-02T22:32:21.000Zseedstarterhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/Sadie
Hi Tanya, thanks for chiming in.<br />
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I do agree with what you say: I've been more attentive to nutrition and overall health than most, yet have more chronic symptoms than most. Am I just more sensitive/aware of my symptoms? I don't think so, especially when talking about fatigue. I have a good diet, get some exercise, but even when I go to sleep early and get a good night's sleep, I often am tired, especially in the luteal phase (2nd half) of my cycle.<br />
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I'm going to do more reading on the metal…
Hi Tanya, thanks for chiming in.<br />
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I do agree with what you say: I've been more attentive to nutrition and overall health than most, yet have more chronic symptoms than most. Am I just more sensitive/aware of my symptoms? I don't think so, especially when talking about fatigue. I have a good diet, get some exercise, but even when I go to sleep early and get a good night's sleep, I often am tired, especially in the luteal phase (2nd half) of my cycle.<br />
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I'm going to do more reading on the metal toxicity issue and try again to figure out those detox pathways.<br />
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Also plan next week to order some kefir grains to get a different source of probiotics than just with fermented veggies and occasional kombucha. And maybe I shouldn't be drinking the kombucha until I figure out if I'm metal toxic. seedstarter said:Pat Robinson…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-12-31:2814160:Comment:66482009-12-31T06:47:52.000ZTanyaLhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/TanyaL
<cite>seedstarter said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal#2814160Comment6640"><div><cite>Pat Robinson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal?xg_source=activity#2814160Comment6632"><div>Are you doing any chelation with ALA, MSM, EDTA... I don't know all of that stuff. But, there are chemical ways to help remove mercury from your organs, thyroid, brain, gut. Tanya is the resident…</div>
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<cite>seedstarter said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal#2814160Comment6640"><div><cite>Pat Robinson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal?xg_source=activity#2814160Comment6632"><div>Are you doing any chelation with ALA, MSM, EDTA... I don't know all of that stuff. But, there are chemical ways to help remove mercury from your organs, thyroid, brain, gut. Tanya is the resident chelation resource here. The issue is we chelate into fetus and breastmilk. I know I did.<br/><br/><br/>Pat</div>
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Nope, I'm not chelating (except maybe w/ garlic). I'd rather chelate w/ foods, but I need to research all that. Am I foolish to think I can chelate w/ foods or herbs? Obviously, I need to open pathways first.</div>
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I'm the Tanya Pat mentioned a little above. I don't have a lot of experience, beyond the basics, for digestion-related issues and parasites, but the chelation thing I can discuss.<br />
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Brief background: 4 years ago I got sick, was lucky to figure out within a reasonable time period that it was related to my amalgam fillings, I've got 2 kids and they both have health/behavior issues that are related, though neither has enough for a diagnosis of anything. I got my amalgams out and have been chelating with DMSA and ALA for about 20 mos now, the kids as well (but less time for them).<br />
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I am a pretty big proponent of DMSA and ALA for a few reasons, mainly the body of knowledge that exists on how to do it safely. Cilantro definitely mobilizes mercury (not sure about other metals) but I don't feel that a lot is known about how to do it safely, because the whole thing is a balancing act. Chelators mobilize metals, but none is perfect, and so some amount of heavy metal is dropped by the chelator. Mobilize too much, and your detox pathways get overwhelmed and you get metals settling in and that hurts, and is not healthy (oxidative stress, stuff like that). I feel ALA and DMSA are well-understood and there is a large, easily-accessible body of knowledge to draw upon to use them safely.<br />
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To me, it sounds like you've been a lot more mindful of your health for much longer than most people, and yet you have more health issues than most. Would you agree? To me that says that looking beyond the typical answers will be required to figure things out. The mercury sounds like a possibility. But you also mentioned mono. I know some folks on ASD lists have issues with chronic illnesses that don't resolve, and epstein-barre is one of those, I assume that it turns chronic in people who are already vulnerable for some reason. I don't know how to test for that, it hasn't been our issue, so I'm just familiar with the very basics.<br />
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FWIW, someone on another board felt good results with supplemental folate that just raised her from the somewhat low end of the ref range to the somewhat high side--neither was obviously borderline. I'm supping 1200mcg per day and I don't have (based on symptoms/family history) any MTHFR polymorphisms. Pat Robinson said:Are you doi…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-12-31:2814160:Comment:66402009-12-31T03:24:20.000Zseedstarterhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/Sadie
<cite>Pat Robinson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal?xg_source=activity#2814160Comment6632"><div>Are you doing any chelation with ALA, MSM, EDTA... I don't know all of that stuff. But, there are chemical ways to help remove mercury from your organs, thyroid, brain, gut. Tanya is the resident chelation resource here. The issue is we chelate into fetus and breastmilk. I know I did.<br></br><br></br><br></br>Pat</div>
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Nope, I'm not…
<cite>Pat Robinson said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/food-intolerance-metal?xg_source=activity#2814160Comment6632"><div>Are you doing any chelation with ALA, MSM, EDTA... I don't know all of that stuff. But, there are chemical ways to help remove mercury from your organs, thyroid, brain, gut. Tanya is the resident chelation resource here. The issue is we chelate into fetus and breastmilk. I know I did.<br/><br/><br/>Pat</div>
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Nope, I'm not chelating (except maybe w/ garlic). I'd rather chelate w/ foods, but I need to research all that. Am I foolish to think I can chelate w/ foods or herbs? Obviously, I need to open pathways first. Along w/ the parasite finding…tag:heal-thyself.ning.com,2009-12-31:2814160:Comment:66392009-12-31T03:22:47.000Zseedstarterhttp://heal-thyself.ning.com/profile/Sadie
Along w/ the parasite finding, my stool analysis also found I have lots of Bifidus and e.coli (which is normal in stool), but no Lactobacillus. I was really surprised about the Lactobacillus, b/c I've been eating raw fermented veggies w/ each meal and having miso almost every day. I know some believe w/ enough probiotic support the "bad bugs" will be outcompeted and others think the badbugs must be killed first.<br />
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The stool analysis found small amounts of Candida, not in the pathologic range,…
Along w/ the parasite finding, my stool analysis also found I have lots of Bifidus and e.coli (which is normal in stool), but no Lactobacillus. I was really surprised about the Lactobacillus, b/c I've been eating raw fermented veggies w/ each meal and having miso almost every day. I know some believe w/ enough probiotic support the "bad bugs" will be outcompeted and others think the badbugs must be killed first.<br />
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The stool analysis found small amounts of Candida, not in the pathologic range, and none on microscopy. But, I do have a skin fungus that recently reemerged at the site of one if my surgery scars. I've been holding it at bay w/ garlic oil. Previously it went away after lavendar essential oil, but I'm trying to take approaches that less environmentally intensive/more human scale. (i.e. I can make garlic solutions in my kitchen, but would need fancy equipment and LOTS of lavendar to make lavendar essential oil).<br />
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So, Pat, I like your idea of alternating antimicrobial foods/herbs and probiotic foods. I'm going to think of it as regimen, whereas as before I was just trying to get these things in my diet every day, now I'm going to be persistent and always follow the antimicrobials w/ probiotics. You say to wait 2 hrs, but I know that allicin (in garlic) does not harm healthy bacteria the way it does unhealthy ones. Not sure about the other herbs.<br />
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Also, like your idea of rotating. I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense b/c I don't know which food/herb antimicrobials will kill D. fragilis (given the paucity of success stories using natural approaches) and rotating the food probiotics will give a wider variety of species, increasing the chance that something will outcompete the parasite.<br />
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I'm going to add pinches of Epsom salts to my water, but also try to do some Epsom salt baths or poultices. I'll try for 3 times per week.<br />
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You mentioned your concern I'm releasing mercury. At this point I'd like to release mercury, although obviously I need to support my detox pathways.<br />
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I had thought my stomach acid was better since I've been taking bitters (which I make at home - the Swedish bitters that's sold has a laxative in it, so I don't want to try that). But the stool report showed that I'm not processing long-chain fatty acids or triglycerides which may reflect low stomach acid, lack of lipase, or ? decreased functioning of pancreas.<br />
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Another possibility I'm thinking of is that I don't tolerate (and completely avoid) gluten, but I've not been tested for celiac. I know that some celiacs, even after avoiding gluten for years, don't completely heal their villi. I'm going for genetic celiac testing in February: finally found a good gastroenterologist that takes my insurance and specializes in celiac dz.<br />
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I'm thinking of supping zinc: my levels were low on bloodwork even though I try to eat zinc foods regularly, My B6/B12/folate levels were fine, although don't know how well the blood tests reflect actual levels in the body.<br />
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Spent a lot of time yesterday looking at Detox Puzzle and Eating Cultures and reading the detox pathways pages, but didn't figure anything out. I feel like each pathway, I identify w/ some things and not others and then I'm not sure if that means it's specific to that pathway or not.<br />
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I do know my phase I is slow b/c I'm very caffeine sensitive. I am sensitive to chemicals, such as perfumes, but not to the level of MCS. I knew someone who lived w/ that and I wouldn't want to coopt that label as my reactions are brief, ending as soon as I'm away from the chemical, unlike the chronic problems endured by someone w/ MCS. Although maybe w/ repeated exposure, I'd have a tendency for that.<br />
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If anyone makes it through all my posts, thanks for reading!<br />
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I welcome any replies and I'm getting a lot out of just putting it all in writing.